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I haven't no, i think i may have in the past but i think that he just kept all of the players onside in wide positions meaning thy got allot of crosses in
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I tended to use a 5-3-2 formation with Lokomotiv Sofia ( Bulgarian team ) , but in FM09. In fact I use him ( the sweeper ) more like a classic libero. He was my main player who starts the team's attacks. With a pair of two central backs which were instructed with man-marking,as pure stoppers, he have the required freedom to make forwards runs and build-up our attacking moves.
However,this type of player is useful if the overall tactical setup is builded properly. And of course if we ( as managers ) possess player with the required specific skills.
However,this type of player is useful if the overall tactical setup is builded properly. And of course if we ( as managers ) possess player with the required specific skills.
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In FML I'm playing a 4-2-3-1 with a sweeper in the SWl position, and a centre back in the DCr position. Liberi ftw! \o/
I think as more and more teams play with one striker, having two permanent DCs will become largely redundant. You can already see it to a certain extent with the runs Toure and now Vermaelen make out of defence for Arsenal. Perhaps the libero is coming back, though perhaps not necessarily as a SW.
I wrote a bit about it here. I'm sure the concepts translate from FML to FM.
I think as more and more teams play with one striker, having two permanent DCs will become largely redundant. You can already see it to a certain extent with the runs Toure and now Vermaelen make out of defence for Arsenal. Perhaps the libero is coming back, though perhaps not necessarily as a SW.
I wrote a bit about it here. I'm sure the concepts translate from FML to FM.
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The funny thing, I've always believed, is that the sweeper position has been almost eradicated. We have to remember the notion of a centre half in old football was that of a towering hulk of a man who knocked the shit out of fleet footed attacking players and played quick passes or clearances, nothing else. As time has gone on and the modernisation of coaching techniques and football academies, it's now a pre-requisite of all academy players to have a certain amount of technical ability. I commented on this a few years back in an article on susie about my initial disdain and then enlightenment over the methods used in Sky One's Soccer Star program (where they pluck some young hopefuls to be marched around a pitch by Ray Wilkins and Eddie "I scored in a cup final" Newton).
Arsene Wenger was the initial protagonist in the affair, look at his academy players over the years; tall, athletic and strong, Matt Le Tissier would never have found his way through that minefield.
It seems that the traditional sweeper, all graceful and so above that of his bullish defensive comrades, what with his ability to actually pass the ball and initiate attacks, has been blended into the centre half role, for the better of the position I might add.
I mean initially the position was used as part of the cantenaccio to operate as a second fishing net, used effectively initially at Salernitana and then at Inter Milan, but now that current players in central defensive roles are required to have a footballing brain, where does the sweeper role lie?
For me, if I was to go about utilising one I would only do so in a German style 5-4-1 or 5-3-2, it's merely a personal preference, but that's how I see a traditional sweeper. With that said, I would wonder if giving a sweeper a free role would increase his attacking potency, or does the libero player role cover that adequately? (your article suggests so)
Arsene Wenger was the initial protagonist in the affair, look at his academy players over the years; tall, athletic and strong, Matt Le Tissier would never have found his way through that minefield.
It seems that the traditional sweeper, all graceful and so above that of his bullish defensive comrades, what with his ability to actually pass the ball and initiate attacks, has been blended into the centre half role, for the better of the position I might add.
I mean initially the position was used as part of the cantenaccio to operate as a second fishing net, used effectively initially at Salernitana and then at Inter Milan, but now that current players in central defensive roles are required to have a footballing brain, where does the sweeper role lie?
For me, if I was to go about utilising one I would only do so in a German style 5-4-1 or 5-3-2, it's merely a personal preference, but that's how I see a traditional sweeper. With that said, I would wonder if giving a sweeper a free role would increase his attacking potency, or does the libero player role cover that adequately? (your article suggests so)
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Fantastic, on 02 November 2009 - 12:51 PM, said:
The funny thing, I've always believed, is that the sweeper position has been almost eradicated. We have to remember the notion of a centre half in old football was that of a towering hulk of a man who knocked the shit out of fleet footed attacking players and played quick passes or clearances, nothing else. As time has gone on and the modernisation of coaching techniques and football academies, it's now a pre-requisite of all academy players to have a certain amount of technical ability. I commented on this a few years back in an article on susie about my initial disdain and then enlightenment over the methods used in Sky One's Soccer Star program (where they pluck some young hopefuls to be marched around a pitch by Ray Wilkins and Eddie "I scored in a cup final" Newton).
Arsene Wenger was the initial protagonist in the affair, look at his academy players over the years; tall, athletic and strong, Matt Le Tissier would never have found his way through that minefield.
It seems that the traditional sweeper, all graceful and so above that of his bullish defensive comrades, what with his ability to actually pass the ball and initiate attacks, has been blended into the centre half role, for the better of the position I might add.
I mean initially the position was used as part of the cantenaccio to operate as a second fishing net, used effectively initially at Salernitana and then at Inter Milan, but now that current players in central defensive roles are required to have a footballing brain, where does the sweeper role lie?
For me, if I was to go about utilising one I would only do so in a German style 5-4-1 or 5-3-2, it's merely a personal preference, but that's how I see a traditional sweeper. With that said, I would wonder if giving a sweeper a free role would increase his attacking potency, or does the libero player role cover that adequately? (your article suggests so)
Arsene Wenger was the initial protagonist in the affair, look at his academy players over the years; tall, athletic and strong, Matt Le Tissier would never have found his way through that minefield.
It seems that the traditional sweeper, all graceful and so above that of his bullish defensive comrades, what with his ability to actually pass the ball and initiate attacks, has been blended into the centre half role, for the better of the position I might add.
I mean initially the position was used as part of the cantenaccio to operate as a second fishing net, used effectively initially at Salernitana and then at Inter Milan, but now that current players in central defensive roles are required to have a footballing brain, where does the sweeper role lie?
For me, if I was to go about utilising one I would only do so in a German style 5-4-1 or 5-3-2, it's merely a personal preference, but that's how I see a traditional sweeper. With that said, I would wonder if giving a sweeper a free role would increase his attacking potency, or does the libero player role cover that adequately? (your article suggests so)
I think you're right about liberi. They will come from the DC position in future, not the SW position. I believe there are plans to add the libero role to the DC options in a future version of the creator.
SW in modern football will be used as the 'bolt', not the 'libero'.
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It begs the questions as to what would be more effective, a 5-4-1 sweeper or a 4-5-1 anchorman. (or the various deviations on these types)
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Millie, on 02 November 2009 - 11:11 AM, said:
In FML I'm playing a 4-2-3-1 with a sweeper in the SWl position, and a centre back in the DCr position. Liberi ftw! \o/
I think as more and more teams play with one striker, having two permanent DCs will become largely redundant. You can already see it to a certain extent with the runs Toure and now Vermaelen make out of defence for Arsenal. Perhaps the libero is coming back, though perhaps not necessarily as a SW.
I wrote a bit about it here. I'm sure the concepts translate from FML to FM.
I think as more and more teams play with one striker, having two permanent DCs will become largely redundant. You can already see it to a certain extent with the runs Toure and now Vermaelen make out of defence for Arsenal. Perhaps the libero is coming back, though perhaps not necessarily as a SW.
I wrote a bit about it here. I'm sure the concepts translate from FML to FM.
Something Mourinho brought to Chelsea with joining Carvalho. Still does those rashes forward now, when he's fit.
While Lucio has been doing it for years, probably much to the annoyance of his managers as well.
Though its more common now for all defenders to join in with attacks and burst forward, in a lot of leagues.
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injekted, on 03 November 2009 - 06:37 AM, said:
Something Mourinho brought to Chelsea with joining Carvalho. Still does those rashes forward now, when he's fit.
While Lucio has been doing it for years, probably much to the annoyance of his managers as well.
Though its more common now for all defenders to join in with attacks and burst forward, in a lot of leagues.
While Lucio has been doing it for years, probably much to the annoyance of his managers as well.
Though its more common now for all defenders to join in with attacks and burst forward, in a lot of leagues.
The first instance I recall in the Premier Leagye was Tony Adams doing so for Arsenal towards the end of the double season in '98.
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Fantastic, on 03 November 2009 - 06:39 AM, said:
The first instance I recall in the Premier Leagye was Tony Adams doing so for Arsenal towards the end of the double season in '98.
That's about the time I started to take a little more interest in the EPL. So can't really comment much on it.
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I've deployed the sweeper a few times, including the sweeper keeper, it depends on the shape balance and dynamicc of your team.
The deep lying gaurdian, the classic Italian sweeper is useful if you have a sneaky deep lying forward full of craft a guile playing in the pocket and your centre halfs aren't too good with inteligence, it means if one of them goes chasing out of postition or is dragged due to man marking if your sweeper has great anticipation and concentration and decision maknig and finally positioning he will plug the gap left for you, thats one example.
Another is if your team struggles with transition play from the back of the field i.e. a lack of a carrying ball player, someone like a sweeper can transit the ball from the edge of the D to the halfway line whilst still keeping shape and integurity to your backlines, a lot of the time is if your centre half gets caught on the ball your dynamic and shape becomes diifficult to maintain if the striker or Attacking playmaker steals the ball of your centre half, but if your sweeper loses the ball on the halfway line, it should be less dangerous as your defence should still be behind him and freed up.
The sweeper keeper is best deployed only if your keeper is 1 great off his line, 2 has good anticipation, 3 has good kicking, 4 has relatively good pace and acceleration, 5 has good composure, 6 has good concentration, otherwise he wont be up to doing the clever and simple things well enough to achieve good sweeper keeper, 7 postitioning is important too.
Classically I've found it effective to play 5 3 2 1 with a deep lying transit or ball playing sweeper, or a 5 3 1 1 with a sweeper keeper, or a 4 1 3 2 with a deep lying playmaker or anchorman, all are effective depending on personnel
The deep lying gaurdian, the classic Italian sweeper is useful if you have a sneaky deep lying forward full of craft a guile playing in the pocket and your centre halfs aren't too good with inteligence, it means if one of them goes chasing out of postition or is dragged due to man marking if your sweeper has great anticipation and concentration and decision maknig and finally positioning he will plug the gap left for you, thats one example.
Another is if your team struggles with transition play from the back of the field i.e. a lack of a carrying ball player, someone like a sweeper can transit the ball from the edge of the D to the halfway line whilst still keeping shape and integurity to your backlines, a lot of the time is if your centre half gets caught on the ball your dynamic and shape becomes diifficult to maintain if the striker or Attacking playmaker steals the ball of your centre half, but if your sweeper loses the ball on the halfway line, it should be less dangerous as your defence should still be behind him and freed up.
The sweeper keeper is best deployed only if your keeper is 1 great off his line, 2 has good anticipation, 3 has good kicking, 4 has relatively good pace and acceleration, 5 has good composure, 6 has good concentration, otherwise he wont be up to doing the clever and simple things well enough to achieve good sweeper keeper, 7 postitioning is important too.
Classically I've found it effective to play 5 3 2 1 with a deep lying transit or ball playing sweeper, or a 5 3 1 1 with a sweeper keeper, or a 4 1 3 2 with a deep lying playmaker or anchorman, all are effective depending on personnel
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