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Okay so this is my second thread now...
I've been looking through the great guides that are on here but I cannot see anything rleating to how to tutor youngsters. I mean I know HOW to do it, but not how to get the best results.
I know its based on position and personality but that's about it.
Anyone want to elaborate further?
Many thanks,
Andy
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To get the best results, you need a grade a mentor, so your coaches are best at recommending who to pair up with whom, I got advised to team up Steven Gerrard and Emilano Insua, worked our well.
But a few pointers, what is it you want your mentor to pass on?? the preferred moves are usually passed on GOOD and BAD ones, so arguing with officials, jumping in 2 footed etc, like running down the right wing, so advice would be make sure something positive is going to come to the table out of it, so you want him to take on board new tricks, it'll make the 2 if they are psychologically compatible really excellent team mates, closer knit dressing rooms thrive and win things so much better than a dressing room full of guys wanting individual glory.
The problem is when you haven't looked at their personalities and say for instance you team up a player like ROY KEANE (BORN LEADER ) with lets say someone with the mental age of a 3 year old and say they are ( UNAMBITIOUS ) NANI, this is an extreme example I know they were never in the same team etc, but you can guess what ROY would think of someone like NANI, not impressed if he is trying to get hi to think like himself.
So on a cautionary note there are pairings of personality as well as player preferred moves as well as player position to take into the equation, someone has done research of the personality traits you can pair, another way to do it is to look on the 1st team sheet personality, you have the option down the right, use it, it'll bring up the spectrum of the personalities you have at the club, no need to tell you that the ones diametrically opposed ( that was a fucking big concept wasn't it, what the fuck was I thinking using a cool word like that to explain myself ) do not go well together, usually ones that are 1 or 2 spaces on the spectrum are more suited or the ones with the same personality can go together with mixed results.
I have more if you need help dud, +1 me Lol
But a few pointers, what is it you want your mentor to pass on?? the preferred moves are usually passed on GOOD and BAD ones, so arguing with officials, jumping in 2 footed etc, like running down the right wing, so advice would be make sure something positive is going to come to the table out of it, so you want him to take on board new tricks, it'll make the 2 if they are psychologically compatible really excellent team mates, closer knit dressing rooms thrive and win things so much better than a dressing room full of guys wanting individual glory.
The problem is when you haven't looked at their personalities and say for instance you team up a player like ROY KEANE (BORN LEADER ) with lets say someone with the mental age of a 3 year old and say they are ( UNAMBITIOUS ) NANI, this is an extreme example I know they were never in the same team etc, but you can guess what ROY would think of someone like NANI, not impressed if he is trying to get hi to think like himself.
So on a cautionary note there are pairings of personality as well as player preferred moves as well as player position to take into the equation, someone has done research of the personality traits you can pair, another way to do it is to look on the 1st team sheet personality, you have the option down the right, use it, it'll bring up the spectrum of the personalities you have at the club, no need to tell you that the ones diametrically opposed ( that was a fucking big concept wasn't it, what the fuck was I thinking using a cool word like that to explain myself ) do not go well together, usually ones that are 1 or 2 spaces on the spectrum are more suited or the ones with the same personality can go together with mixed results.
I have more if you need help dud, +1 me Lol
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As with your last bit of advice, cracking! I always got confused between the three options you are presented with, can I confirm for sure what each of the options do (option and effect)...
1) ideal role model = Preferred Moves (?)
2) adopting approach to game =
3) Can learn from =
...sorry if that sounds stupid (or I've not picked it up from your post.
Andy
1) ideal role model = Preferred Moves (?)
2) adopting approach to game =
3) Can learn from =
...sorry if that sounds stupid (or I've not picked it up from your post.
Andy
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It's probably also worth noting that I understand that it's a good idea to have preferred foot and position taken into consideration when pairing players up but to what extent can you mix and match personalities? For example can a Balanced player tutor a Fairly Determined player and get worthwhile results?
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Some awesome advice there guys
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AndrewKent, on 16 November 2009 - 04:01 PM, said:
As with your last bit of advice, cracking! I always got confused between the three options you are presented with, can I confirm for sure what each of the options do (option and effect)...
1) ideal role model = Preferred Moves (?)
2) adopting approach to game =
3) Can learn from =
...sorry if that sounds stupid (or I've not picked it up from your post.
Andy
1) ideal role model = Preferred Moves (?)
2) adopting approach to game =
3) Can learn from =
...sorry if that sounds stupid (or I've not picked it up from your post.
Andy
This is actually more of a media aspect as opposed to a branch with three differing outcomes. If two players are going to be mentally compatible and the tutor has all round skills you want the youngster to learn, then you can call him an ideal role mode. However if one of both players are cunts, it's better to just suggest that player can learn from the other, that way not suggesting the tutor is someone who should be totally adopted.
It's also worth noting that the most cruical aspect of tutoring is developing mental attributes. I've seen players raise their determination six points through tutoring. Preferred moves are, often a load of shit and can be recommended anyway, but the ability to raise mental attributes outside of maturity is highly invaluable. I would base your tutoring on that aspect more than any other.
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This guide is for FM 2009, but may work for FM 2010 ...
Tutoring works like this:
A young player learns from an older player in terms of 1) Determination, 2) Hidden Personality Attributes, 3) Preferred Moves. The tutored player may or may not learn one or more things of his tutor.
The success rate is based on personality, positions, and playing attributes.
The prime things to consider are Personality and Determination.
The first rule is, the tutor should be better in it than the tutoree.
Otherwise the tutored player may get worse in that attribute! Which is something you want to avoid.
The second rule is, it should not be a too big difference (otherwise they will not bond and tutoring may end before it can give you any results, only giving a bad relationship between the players in question). So do not try to tutor your determination 3 youngster with a determination 18 monster, they will just not like each other. The same goes for a temperamental one paired with a model professional.
In general, the best tutored players have a balanced personality, while the best tutors have personalities with high professionalism and determination. Examples for good tutors are anything with Professional, Light-Hearted, Perfectionist, Model Citizen, Resilient, Resolute and Spirited.
If the player you want to tutor already has such a personality, you should probably not tutor him as this may spoil him.
Not as important are Positions, Player Preferred Moves and Attributes, though you can round it off to a great tutoring with these.
Rules for success here are:
Similar positions: The two players should have the same natural position for maximum success. Though only dark green will do no harm.
Similar attributes: If the players are similar in terms of attributes, it is more likely that Player Preferred Moves are transferred to the tutored player. A good hint is listed in the personal window of the player being a "similar type of player to XY".
You need to know though, that personality and determination are far more important than other attributes or positions.
If you can fulfill all of the above, it will be a great tutoring and the tutored player will gain a lot of personality and PPMs from the tutor. Another result is that he will probably list him as a favoured personnel.
Also be wary, as the tutor may have PPMs you may not like in the player.
Now to the choices:
"Ideal role model"
Use this for 1. Youngest players, 2. Highly similar personality, 3. Highly similar type of player, 4. Tutor has a great reputation
"Would benefit from adopting Xs approach to the game"
Use this for 1. Not that young players, 2. Somewhat similar personality, 3. Same natural positions, 4. Good reputation of the tutor.
"See what he can learn from X"
Use this for 1. Players around the ages of 21-23, 2. Not too different personality, 3. At least one common position, 4. Lower reputation of the tutor.
Other tips about tutoring:
1. Tutoring is great because it does not use up extra training workload as a direct PPM tell would.
2. Be wary about transferring the wrong PPMs to your young tutored players. You may want a tutor chain which excludes some of the moves first. E.g.: Ideal tutor has "shoots with power" - you do not want the player to shoot with power. First teach him places shots by tutor or PPM, then let him be tutored by the ideal tutor.
3. You can make another sort of tutoring chain if you do it on the same day. At Stuttgart, German First Division, you can ask Sven Schipplock to learn from Marica and Marica to learn from Cacau. This only works if done at the same round of the game and may be an exploit.
4. You can transfer moves via tutoring which cannot be gained by the Preferred Moves menu, like Curls Ball or Argues with Officials.
Tutoring works like this:
A young player learns from an older player in terms of 1) Determination, 2) Hidden Personality Attributes, 3) Preferred Moves. The tutored player may or may not learn one or more things of his tutor.
The success rate is based on personality, positions, and playing attributes.
The prime things to consider are Personality and Determination.
The first rule is, the tutor should be better in it than the tutoree.
Otherwise the tutored player may get worse in that attribute! Which is something you want to avoid.
The second rule is, it should not be a too big difference (otherwise they will not bond and tutoring may end before it can give you any results, only giving a bad relationship between the players in question). So do not try to tutor your determination 3 youngster with a determination 18 monster, they will just not like each other. The same goes for a temperamental one paired with a model professional.
In general, the best tutored players have a balanced personality, while the best tutors have personalities with high professionalism and determination. Examples for good tutors are anything with Professional, Light-Hearted, Perfectionist, Model Citizen, Resilient, Resolute and Spirited.
If the player you want to tutor already has such a personality, you should probably not tutor him as this may spoil him.
Not as important are Positions, Player Preferred Moves and Attributes, though you can round it off to a great tutoring with these.
Rules for success here are:
Similar positions: The two players should have the same natural position for maximum success. Though only dark green will do no harm.
Similar attributes: If the players are similar in terms of attributes, it is more likely that Player Preferred Moves are transferred to the tutored player. A good hint is listed in the personal window of the player being a "similar type of player to XY".
You need to know though, that personality and determination are far more important than other attributes or positions.
If you can fulfill all of the above, it will be a great tutoring and the tutored player will gain a lot of personality and PPMs from the tutor. Another result is that he will probably list him as a favoured personnel.
Also be wary, as the tutor may have PPMs you may not like in the player.
Now to the choices:
"Ideal role model"
Use this for 1. Youngest players, 2. Highly similar personality, 3. Highly similar type of player, 4. Tutor has a great reputation
"Would benefit from adopting Xs approach to the game"
Use this for 1. Not that young players, 2. Somewhat similar personality, 3. Same natural positions, 4. Good reputation of the tutor.
"See what he can learn from X"
Use this for 1. Players around the ages of 21-23, 2. Not too different personality, 3. At least one common position, 4. Lower reputation of the tutor.
Other tips about tutoring:
1. Tutoring is great because it does not use up extra training workload as a direct PPM tell would.
2. Be wary about transferring the wrong PPMs to your young tutored players. You may want a tutor chain which excludes some of the moves first. E.g.: Ideal tutor has "shoots with power" - you do not want the player to shoot with power. First teach him places shots by tutor or PPM, then let him be tutored by the ideal tutor.
3. You can make another sort of tutoring chain if you do it on the same day. At Stuttgart, German First Division, you can ask Sven Schipplock to learn from Marica and Marica to learn from Cacau. This only works if done at the same round of the game and may be an exploit.
4. You can transfer moves via tutoring which cannot be gained by the Preferred Moves menu, like Curls Ball or Argues with Officials.
This post has been edited by Brazilian: 21 November 2009 - 10:07 AM
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I havent had much luck with tutoring. So far only 2 out of 7 players tutored worked out well. I paired Scholes with Verratti and Lorenzo Cristiq with Hargreaves.
Others i paired up were Vaclav Kadlac with David Villa and Evans with Ferdinand. But they gained little from their mentors. I would like to try pairing Kadlac and Villa again as I see Kadlac becoming a similar player to Villa. I tried Ideal Role Model the 1st time. Would using other options work better?
Also deciding between Berbatov and Rooney to tutor Romelu Lukaku. He's personality is light hearted so i'm not so sure he's gonna click with them. Also dont want him picking up Rooney's negative PPMs like arguing with officials.
Others i paired up were Vaclav Kadlac with David Villa and Evans with Ferdinand. But they gained little from their mentors. I would like to try pairing Kadlac and Villa again as I see Kadlac becoming a similar player to Villa. I tried Ideal Role Model the 1st time. Would using other options work better?
Also deciding between Berbatov and Rooney to tutor Romelu Lukaku. He's personality is light hearted so i'm not so sure he's gonna click with them. Also dont want him picking up Rooney's negative PPMs like arguing with officials.
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Thanks for all the awesome info.
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