[alilane4]

What do they actually do?

The great debate is what does the 20 for Physiotherapy get you?

Does it get you simply more accurate diagnosis and estimation of time out due to injury. Or. Does it get you a better recovery time?

It is a great topic of debate as how can you be sure?With this debate should come a few theories and answers, also, i plan to do a controlled test on an unwitting in-game player to see if the physio attribute gets you diagnosis, better rehabilitation or maybe even both!

What do you think your Physio does for you and what attributes do you think are key to a successful Physio?

[Melmmer]

Does it make play recover fitness quicker??

My biggest problem is in international games and I don't have a physio and I enter the semis of a tournament with everyone at 85% fitness cause I have no physios

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[alilane4]

Melmmer, on 08 January 2010 - 11:42 AM, said:

Does it make play recover fitness quicker??

My biggest problem is in international games and I don't have a physio and I enter the semis of a tournament with everyone at 85% fitness cause I have no physios

But how do you know that's because you have no Physios? This is what i am talking about how do we know how much our Physios actually do and if you sign more of them do they do a better job of whatever they do do.

[Melmmer]

In the guide it says they make players heal quicker??

So from injuries and what not so you get your best players on the park

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[alilane4]

Melmmer, on 08 January 2010 - 11:47 AM, said:

In the guide it says they make players heal quicker??

So from injuries and what not so you get your best players on the park

Yes, but do you think that they are also used to diagnose a suitable rehabilitation time? For example if a physio is poor then he may diagnose a longer time frame for the player being injured than, say, a good physio.

I reckon there is more to physios than the guide tells us, personally. If there isn't then there should be.

[Melmmer]

Well that is the point of a physio, they diagnose and support your rehab, nothing more to them really. a shit one will diagnose badly and a good one will be more accurate..

What else would you want a physio to do?

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[alilane4]

Melmmer, on 08 January 2010 - 12:06 PM, said:

Well that is the point of a physio, they diagnose and support your rehab, nothing more to them really. a shit one will diagnose badly and a good one will be more accurate..

What else would you want a physio to do?

Well, diagnose the injury correctly, diagnose the rough amount of time the player will be injured for - accurately, rehabilitate the player as fast as possible, try and keep the injury from recurring.

And then you have stupid little stuff like, keep the player motivated whilst he's injured, deal with the general fitness of the squad, i could probably think of a few more things aswell, but you get my gist.

I personally think that physio could/do/should do more in the game as it is a complex jobs no doubt.

[Melmmer]

alilane4, on 08 January 2010 - 12:10 PM, said:

Well, diagnose the injury correctly, diagnose the rough amount of time the player will be injured for - accurately, rehabilitate the player as fast as possible, try and keep the injury from recurring.

And then you have stupid little stuff like, keep the player motivated whilst he's injured, deal with the general fitness of the squad, i could probably think of a few more things aswell, but you get my gist.

I personally think that physio could/do/should do more in the game as it is a complex jobs no doubt.

That part would be under there motivation skills though wouldn't it, nothing to do with physiotherapy..

I think SI needs to make what the difference between a fitness coach and a physio is though when it comes to fitness of players

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[Wazzar]

I'm fairly sure that in RL physios would be involved in injury prevention, such as finding weak parts of the body that can cause injuries. For example, someone with weak ankles means that their pelvis wouldn't be stable while running and thus are susceptible to hamstring injuries. Physios should have a much greater role in injury prevention, not just cure.

In addition, physios will be involved in day-to-day recovery through massage etc. so a better physio should mean that players recover more effectively and should be able to train harder.

I don't know if any of this is in the game, but if not, then it should be.

[alilane4]

Wazzar, on 08 January 2010 - 12:40 PM, said:

I'm fairly sure that in RL physios would be involved in injury prevention, such as finding weak parts of the body that can cause injuries. For example, someone with weak ankles means that their pelvis wouldn't be stable while running and thus are susceptible to hamstring injuries. Physios should have a much greater role in injury prevention, not just cure.

In addition, physios will be involved in day-to-day recovery through massage etc. so a better physio should mean that players recover more effectively and should be able to train harder.

I don't know if any of this is in the game, but if not, then it should be.

Interesting thoughts you have there mate, irl yes this is the case but i am not so sure in the actual game. I am planning to do an experiment on this by giving the same player the same injury but editing the standard and amount of physios that treat him and see what happens.

[Levo]

They don't do anything other then help a player get better quicker and accurately diagnose this has already been mentioned and we can all say that until we are blue in the face. Your right useless and they should be brought into play alot more. At Spurs one of the firs things I did was get rid of nearly enough 75% of the physios they had on the books they had loads, keeping only the best.

Q did an article just before FM 2010 came out http://www.fm-view.c...s-get-physical/ that is worth a quick read for your experiment maybe?

I would like to see the physio maybe suggest resting players, looking at them doing late fitness reports maybe? I suppose that the physio stat being 20 probably does this but nothing said about it. But you could bring certain physios in that favour certain treatments something similar to what we have seen with the horse plecenta and Arsenal. The better the physio the better the advice and how effective even these treatments are?

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[Joel]

I do know that 1 physio can only ever effectively handle 3 injuries at a time, so in a team with a reserve and U18's team more than 1 is needed

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Pretty sure it is how accurate a physio can determine how long a player will be injured. There is a topic on the Researchers forum all about it but can't find it!

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[Levo]

I have never seen much evidence in the capabilities of the amount of injuries a physio can handle and amount of physios that would be an interest thing to have in your experiment maybe?

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[Jackk!]

I've always thought that a 20 in Physiotherapy means they give you a more accurate return date and what the injury is.

Where as high physiotherapy + motivation (maybe discipline aswell) makes the player recover faster.

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[alilane4]

Jackk!, on 11 January 2010 - 08:56 AM, said:

Where as high physiotherapy + motivation (maybe discipline aswell) makes the player recover faster.

Interesting, maybe this could be true too. I certainly think that physios could do more in the game, such as helping the player to stay motivated and providing added support to negate recurring injuries.

[Melmmer]

Isn't that where the natural fitness stat comes in though, to stop injuries?

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[alilane4]

Melmmer, on 11 January 2010 - 10:13 AM, said:

Isn't that where the natural fitness stat comes in though, to stop injuries?

Probably but even the fittest players can still get a recurring injury.

[Wazzar]

Natural fitness determines how quickly they will recover when they are tired. There is a hidden attribute labelled 'Injury Proneness' which determines likelyhood of injury. The only way to guess at it is to look at their previous injuries (in their history) which I would recommend before signing anyone.

[Kommando]

Wazzar, on 11 January 2010 - 10:23 AM, said:

Natural fitness determines how quickly they will recover when they are tired. There is a hidden attribute labelled 'Injury Proneness' which determines likelyhood of injury. The only way to guess at it is to look at their previous injuries (in their history) which I would recommend before signing anyone.

Doesn't it also pose some relevance, as to how long a player can remain at his peak?

In my own experience, with a good physiotherapist by your side, you will recover days or even weeks faster than a bad one.